Hello Alastair, If you are using Subsurface Utilities, you may be able to use the Low Impact Development feature that is included with some of the available solvers, in order to model this as an infiltration trench. This link has information on LID and how it works. Regards, Scott
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Forum Post: RE: Track Drainage in SUE
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Forum Post: RE: Stupid question. How do I import RWK or ALG into ORD? Does ORD use XIN file?
You are right. OpenRail and Power Rail Track don't look the same. Remember: OpenRail is a brand new product not the next release of Power Rail Track. It does answer question 1. The most common part is probably corridor modelling. Even it is not using Roadway Designer in OpenRail, the workflow and functions are the same (point controls, target aliasing, end condition exception, ...). Something totally different is all annotations and drawing production: plan, profile and cross sections. So answer to question 2. is NO. You can partially reuse some settings by exporting from XIN, using excel tools. See Migration utilities installed in the OpenRail workspace. No way to import rwk. You can import ALG including cant in the latest release (but not the turnouts) using geometry>Import/export geometry
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Forum Post: RE: Crashing when importing ALG file into ORLD (Update 6)
So the reason it fails to import is the number of elements in some profiles for line1 and line2. If you import all except line1 and line2 with create civil rules ON it does work; What I did for line1 and line2 is first import with creating civil rules OFF, then import again but check only profiles that have geometry with Create Civil rules ON.
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Forum Post: RE: Track Drainage in SUE
Thanks both for your replies. I am leaning towards using manholes with assigned catchment areas that don't receive surface flow. I don't have a licence for CivilStorm, SewerCAD, or SewerGEMS and I don't think the option for LID/SUDS is available in the current release of OpenRail Designer Connect Edition. I will have a go with the above solution and see what happens Thanks A
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Forum Post: Open Rail Designer - Freezes
Hi, I’ve recently installed Open Rail Designer (version 10.06.00.38), but it is very hard to use it because freeze very often. Even on simple task like draw a line it can freeze for 10min. Does anyone know what may cause this. Any ideas to solve the problem. I’ve run ORD on Windows 7 sp1 64. Thanks & Regards Jakub
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Forum Post: RE: Stupid question. How do I import RWK or ALG into ORD? Does ORD use XIN file?
Thanks, mate. I will try it
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Forum Post: RE: Open Rail Designer - Freezes
Unfortunately, the new versions of Bentley civil products including Rail have been mutated and influenced by Autocad, and gotten almost as bad as Autocad/ C3D. it is definitely aggravating to deal with constant crashes and freezes, and with dumb pesky jumpy phantom-style dialogue boxes out of control. Very disappointing but I guess we would have to live with it. Not sure what and who Bentley developers have been catering to lately.....
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Forum Post: RE: Open Rail Designer - Freezes
I understand your feeling. However one answer to what and who developers have been catering to is users and market. Users want only DGN, graphics and dynamic update. No more files to manage dtm, alg, ird, ... Everything must be live. It means more interactions with graphics so graphic card is important. Sometime hardware is also involved in crashes. As an example, I (and user) experienced issue on Lenovo we don't have on HP and DELL (same files, same software). It also required more RAM especially with x64 OS. I would say that 32go is more likely to be the minimum than 16go However my Lenovo is running quite well today and I don't experience so many crashes. You may decrease the number of crashes by taking care of few things: file and reference management: reference and set active terrain model in the 2D model let OpenRail/Road create and manage the 3D model. turn off 3D model display in 2D model to avoid superimposed elements. Most of the time you don't need it to design. try to limit nesting with civil dgn. Example: corridor is referencing alignment no nesting, terrain is referenced by its own. If you reference civil dgn that have both 2D and 3D model, be sure the current DGN has 2D and 3D models and reference civil dgn in the 2D. The 3D will be automatically attached to the 3D turn off accusnap, when not used, as it is additional interaction with graphics (you can activate on demand by CTRL+SHIFT)
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Forum Post: RE: Open Rail Designer - Freezes
Thanks. Yes of course I am aware that everything is in DGN now. I wonder who the users are that prefer this arrangement. Working for one of the largest engineering firms and with solid paying clients, I virtually have not come across anyone who likes this DGN- based concept. Then again- maybe this is all right for CAD operators, but even then- our CAD people as well are trying to hold on to SS2 as long as they can. Not to mention that the clients do not accept SS4/ Open Roads/ Rail. My system, so as everyone's else, is totally up to specs, 32 GB min high performance Dell mobile series (we engineers can't be locked up to any desktops as we work remotely a lot). But instability withing the programme is getting a lot more severe. Here are some aggravating and disappointing matters: 1. Everything is locked up to a single DGN with all the symbology etc . Let's say I have to use roadway alignments but I have to display them according to my client railroad's standards. All I need is ALG. I would use my XIN preferences relevant to railroad- not highway industry. However, if roadway uses SS4 way of doing things, I am stuck with graphics and feature definitions. Yet when needed, I can;t easily transfer these definitions from DGN to DGN. The feature definition so as DGNLIB alternative to XIN is awfully cumbersome, and I have to go through re-assigning this definition one by one rather than just changing XIN preferences just once, when I want to change presentation. Again, mostly geared for drafters than engineers. We just keep importing and exporting ALG and using ALG format as much as possible unless it has to be corridor modelling or terrain and we have no other options but Open/ SS4. 2. Too many needless reference files. Seriously???? Do I have to have all these terrain, geometry, etc referenced in clogging my work space? I certainly never use nesting. Again, maybe CAD operators need that many refs for sheets and other production formats, but not for engineering. I could have one work file for everything- from geometry to final track roadway model with no need to display everything and deal with linework that looks like 'spaghetti bowl'. 3. Dialogue boxes in Open/ SS4 are terrible. Let's take corridor creation. I have to scroll through every little slick one by one just to get to somewhat normal dialogue where I can enter data based on logic and calcs- not on-screen cartoons. If I had a typo or just wanted to change one entry, I would have start the entire process over, it is easier. If accidentally a mouse moves away from the dialogue box field, the box disappears, and I have to start over again! Great productivity. It has never been so agonizing and time-consuming before. It certainly would be helpful to have an option of stable dialogue boxes instead of those little pop-up- and-disappear little transparent boxes that only allow one-at-the-time-entry. I guess simpleton iPhone mentality of being only able to click one button at the time and lacking decision making skills has sifted from a world of teenagers and housewives into professional environment. 4. There is no option to re-assign controlling alignment to a corridor. Let's say I have gone through all this tedious work of template drops, point controls, etc, and then for some reason I have to keep most of it but change the alignment, horizontal or vertical. There is no option to change it, or at least not that I am aware of. 5. Editing ANYTHING within a corridor is a nightmare, especially changing station limits. It is to the point of deleting and starting over. Doesn't seem like a good way to increase productivity. This 2D- 3D toggling is annoying too: some corridor modelling tools require 2D, some 3D....really? Toggling between different windows for profile an cross sections???? Seriously? 5. Cross section routine is simply horrible now. Profile routine in SS4 and later is useless. Don't make me go there. 6. No real time tracking in SS4 and later tools. Is this considered as and improvement to graphic interface? Point ID is a joke, and it doesn't allow placement of annotations or simply locking by snap. Point ID data comes as very unstable and unreadable on-screen glimpse of text. 6. Engineers would much rather prefer if option for calculated entries remained available. Our clients are professionals too. They clearly state that when they review a roadway or rail design, they certainly do not want to see any pretty landscapes with trees and cute little pedaling cyclists, but they want to see numbers, grades, volumes, curve data, distances and bearings, etc.- all in identifiable format. Not to mention DB and other alternative delivery projects when construction companies, partnered with engineering consultants, have no patience for those pretty pictures when we go through project reviews. Being Bentley advocate for my entire engineering career, and utterly despising Autocad, I have grown a bit disappointed with late changes to Bentley Civil products. However, I have always loved Projectwise.
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Forum Post: RE: BRT fails to open on startup.
I am having the exact same issue. What did you modify in RailTrack.3.1.cfg?
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Forum Post: RE: BRT fails to open on startup.
Ok figured it out. Changed the INROADS_PATH to look for the Rail Track(SELECTseries 4) registry key where it was looking for an InRoads (SELECTSeries 4) key that did not exist.
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Forum Post: RE: BRT fails to open on startup.
Nice one - not quite sure why this would even happen but a little bit pleased it isn't just me having this issue. For others, here is the fix... Locate C:\Program Files (x86)\Bentley\MicroStation V8i (SELECTseries)\MicroStation\config\appl\RailTrack.3.1.cfg On the 8th line down change InRoads Group from the following path to Rail Track INROADS_PATH=${registryread{"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Bentley\ InRoads Group (SELECTseries 4)\08.11.09\PathName"}} Suggest you check your registry path first so the paths match, mine was like this: Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Bentley\Rail Track(SELECTseries 4) Save the cfg file then launch BRT - should load as expected. You may need admin rights to change this file. Steve
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Forum Post: RE: Open Rail Designer - Freezes
New workflows to learn and to be comfortable with. I know it is not something we want to do with the pressure of production. in addition OpenRoads/OpenRail must improve to fill the gaps of functionalities and improve stability. Forget SS4 which is an hybrid version. I don't want to argue about all points but if we can improve your user experience then let give some answers. 2. DGN references are just replacing DTMs, ALGs, IRDs for some of the many legacy files used in Inroads. When training people, believe me it is not obvious. As well as understanding that drawing is not the data. It has some advantages for sure and 1. is one of them. Unfortunately it is really something (new) users don't want. DGN and references is a single way of managing data. 3.You can use ribbon to access commands, properties dialog to change parameters, toolsettings dialog to enter parameters in a single place (I agree you have to accept all of them with the mouse), even Project Explorer. I agree that sometime the popup toolbar behavior can break your nerves. However it is become better and better. The intent is to have an easy access to most relevant actions available for an object. 4. yes there is one: corridor reattach . If you don't find it in the ribbon, it is the keyin. 5. I am a bit surprised by your feedback. The corridor basket allows to easily change stations and other parameters. You can even unlock corridor rule while changing parameters to avoid dynamic update and increase productivity. 5. what are you referring to ? Named boundaries ? 6. what do you mean by Point ID ? Analyze point can be used for tracking and civil accudraw could also be very useful. For example, you can work on your profile and lock the station from the plan view. 6. we don't focus on nice visualization but just provide nice tools like LumenRT for those who want to do visualization. The focus is accurate BIM modelling/reporting, simplify workflows (yes there is still to do) and accurate and reliable 3D model documentation (plan/profile/cross section). Thank you for supporting legacy Bentley products. I hope you will find some satisfaction with new generation. I will help as much as possible. I am convinced that it is the right direction. I know about lacks and defects as well.
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Forum Post: RE: Open Rail Designer - Freezes
Thank you for such comprehensive answers and for your patience with users like me. I know we have no choice but dealing with DGN based ops. Yes I can access corridor edits via Tasks/ Corridor Modelling. However, there is no command 'corridor reattach'. Searching it in key-in is such a waste of time, and frankly as a long time Bentley user I have always despised key-option. Really, do I have to remember all that and do all the typing when I am focused on engineering tasks? Never been successful finding those key-in commands, and of course you know that one typo bites back. Where do I find key-in reference guidance/ manual? It seems like a big mystery that only some very experienced CAD/ Microstation operators possess and keep highly 'classified' . Would you happen to have a document or link to it? Is there a handy reference chart that would let's say take a native Inroads/Power Rail commands and point to the new version/location of it, side by side. Let's say a specific native command and its Open version and WHERE and HOW TO FIND IT. Another question 'how to': how do I transfer all these feature definitions and element templates from DGN to DGN? If this is, again, part of DGNLIB (by the way how?), would that cause a conflict with projectwise managed workspace? Sorry for these how-to questions, but I come from engineering background and much more familiar with ALG, DTM, XIN and less with Microstation/ CAD routines. Any custom additions, key-ins, configuration variables..... that becomes a problem, and I never have time or chance to wrap my head around it, as there is always CAD tech Microstation guru around who, when needed, can get things developed and resolved much quicker and with lower hourly rates. It has become a problem for us with SS4/ Open takeover, with its DGN-based philosophy. When I try to make changes in Corridor Objects, that's where edits to stations or templates cause bad behaviour: it would not keep new entries, re-setting them to either initial or some other strange values even when all locks are off (I had to work with Bentley support on that few times). When I try to change or enter stations in somewhat normal dialogue box, just an accidental move of the mouse messes up this entry, like locking on the field position. Totally nonsense but it happens. I don't use civil accudraw because it makes everything too 'drafting-like' and constrained where I don;t want it. I would prefer mouse free flowing but the entries mathematically stable in the dialogue boxes. Regards Alex
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Forum Post: Multiple regression analysis
Is it possible to make a multiple regression analysis, where it is possible to ”lock” different parameters (E.G. Radius, Spiral length, linear length, etc.) when connecting multiple elements?? In the older versions, this function was called “multiple regression analysis” I do not find this in OpenRail Designer (I have Edition 2018, Release 4, Update 6 - Version 10.06.00.38).
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Forum Post: SIG Virtual Workshop: OpenRail – February 27, 2019 – You're Invited!
OpenRail Special Interest Group – Hitting the Target: Modeling Against Subsurface Strata February 27, 2019 @ 10 a.m. EST and 5 p.m. EST Host: Lisa Whitson, Application Engineer, Bentley Systems, Inc. Register Now Make plans to attend February’s OpenRail Special Interest Group virtual workshop which will focus on modeling against subsurface strata. The agenda is structured with your project success in mind. You will: Learn how to bring in subsurface information from boring logs using gINT civil tools Understand how to clean up the data with surveyed information Recognize how to target multiple subsurface terrains with end conditions See what the new project will look like from the train engineer’s seat There will also be time to ask questions and share input. One PDH will be applied to each attendee's Bentley Transcript for self-reporting. See you online!
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Forum Post: RE: Multiple regression analysis
Not yet. It should come back with 2019 Release 1. I have seen it. it is already in our internal build.
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Forum Post: RE: Open Rail Designer - Freezes
I do agree that some "hidden" key-in can make us very frustrated as missed useful tools. There are probably few but most of the key-ins are commands available from UI. I didn't find a list of key-ins with description. However, the key-in dialog/browser displays all the key-ins with expansion. You can also filter by categories. corridor attach is present on the OpenRail ribbon. You can copy Feature Definition from a dgnlib to another. Open the dgnlib using a project that is configured with the dgnlib you want to copy from Open Project Explorer>Civil Standards Browser the dgnlib you want to copy from Right click the feature(s) definition(s) you want to copy You can copy features definitions but not a category (folder). A bit of restriction. You can do the same process for Element Templates. But you can also export Element Templates to a XML you can import in another file. These actions by themselves don't have any direct interaction with Managed Workspace. However is the Dgnlibs you want to edit come from a managed workspace you will have to open the dgnlib from PW to check it out. Unfortunately SS4 and even more OpenRail are fully based on MicroStation. So you will have to get into "MicroStation" configuration step by step as you want to configure OpenRail. It is really well organized and homogeneous. And powerful. And not so difficult. But I do agree that it is probably not your job. As always, alone clever men are to do everything I would encourage you to try and practice a little bit Accudraw (Civilaccudraw OFF) and Civilaccudraw (Accudraw OFF). Useful tools. More adaptive than a dialog box. Still some few behavior issue in SS4 but good in OpenRail.
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Forum Post: RE: Open Rail Designer - Freezes
Thanks! Browse for key-in has been on my mind.... but how do I know what to browse for? Which words to use? Vicious circle.... I absolutely can't see corridor re-attach/ attach in any ribbons. This is what my Corridor menu looks like, as well as Power Rail interface. Where is 'corridor re-attach' i this hierarchy? No, element templates and feature definitions are not a part of managed workspace (everything is XIN), and I had to create my own to meet various railroads' standards. Our CAD people do not have these resources either- not yet.. Seems like nobody wants to deal with SS4/ open Roads. Sorry. I have tried to convince myself into Accudraw but it is not helpful for what we do. More constraining in not very useful way than helping. It is all very pretty in training courses and demo cases but not for the reality of engineering. It can't replace numeric manipulations and calculations, and flexibility and power of using various equations. Ultimately, there should be a choice, an option for both: DGN graphical for CAD drafters, and theoretical calculated entries for engineers.
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Forum Post: RE: Open Rail Designer - Freezes
In rail track ss4 there is no button for corridor reattach. It comes in OpenRoads/OpenRail Accudraw and Civil Accudraw are just there to do point selection nothing else. How to use Rail Track SS4 without a least a DGNLIB that contains feature definition ?
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